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Gary, it's started!

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Wait. Wait!

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Hey, you're in our way.

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Well, erm...

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KIDS CHATTER

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KNOCK AT DOOR

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BELL RINGING

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Oh, I'll get it, shall I?

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Move! You move.

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Behave.

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KIDS CHATTER

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Oh, hi. Good afternoon.

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My name's Marion. I
live across the street.

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Oh! Nice to meet you. I'm Ann.

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The thing is,
Billingham's a nice area.

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I'm sure you're perfectly
civil yourself, but...

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Ah. Here it is.

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As you can see, quite a few of the
neighbours have already signed it.

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You're trying to get
rid of us? It's not you.

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It's your husband.

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All these foreigners pouring
off the boats like rats.

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Surely, you could've
done better for yourself.

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I think you'd be happier
elsewhere, don't you?

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KIDS CHATTER

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TV: 'Oh, can you believe this?'
'That's called character, Alf.'

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'Character?! It's a chuffin' health
hazard, that's what that is.'

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CLATTERING

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DOG BARKING

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No.

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No, I'm not having
this. Honestly...

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No. Love, it's not worth it.

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Hey! You can shove your
petition up your arse!

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And if you ever try anything
like that again, you'll be sorry!

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WOMAN: Keep it down, will you?!

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MAN: Pack it in, will you?!

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HE CHUCKLES Hey.

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Sorry. No.

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I think I like this side of you.

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Really? Well, you'd
better get used to it.

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MUSIC: 'Pictures
Of You' by The Cure

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♪ I've been looking so long
At these pictures of you

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♪ That I almost believe
That they're real

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♪ I've been living so long
With my pictures of you

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♪ That I almost believe

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♪ That the pictures
Are all I can feel. ♪

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You've no need to be nervous.
He's a very nice fella.

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He could be the spawn
of Satan for all I care.

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As long as he listens
to what I have to say.

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You don't have to say
anything. That's why I'm here.

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WOMAN: Hello. Follow
me, please. Thanks.

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It's just round here.

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Let me do the
talking. KNOCK AT DOOR

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DOOR OPENS

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Back to my constituency
on Friday. All right.

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Mrs Ming. Mr Ming. Come on in.

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Thanks, Isabelle.

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Frank. Jack.

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Thanks for seeing us today.
I know how busy you are.

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Not at all. Always a pleasure.

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So, as I mentioned
on the phone, I...

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This is our daughter, Mr Straw.

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And this? This is the
man who murdered her.

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That's not an opinion. He
confessed to it in a court of law.

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Yes, I've been following
the case closely, Mrs Ming.

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Well, I am not happy with
the perjury sentence,

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and I wanna know what
you're gonna do about it.

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Well, there's not a great deal
I can do about it, I'm afraid.

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Then something needs to be done

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about changing the double
jeopardy law, doesn't it?

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Double jeopardy is a
very grey area, Mrs Ming.

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I'm not bothered what colour it is,
I wanna know what you're gonna do.

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Don't bother with that.

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There's no case like
ours in that book,

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or any other, for that matter.

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Am I right?

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Well, as a matter
of fact, you are.

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Here's where things
currently stand -

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the Home Affairs Select
Committee are recommending

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that the double
jeopardy law be changed,

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and I've asked the Law Commission
to undertake their own review,

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but this may take
years, I'm afraid.

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Well, we... we
haven't got years.

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He'll be out before too long.

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And once he's out, it'll be a bloody
sight harder to get him put back in.

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It's a general principle of
law-making in this country

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that any change should only apply
to the future, not the past.

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So even if their
recommendations are enacted,

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the chances of it being
applied retrospectively

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to historic cases
such as yours...

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pretty slender, I'm afraid.

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I'm sorry, I'm just
being honest with you.

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OK, well, tell me this.

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What would you do if you
were in our situation?

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If you're to have any
chance of success,

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you'll have to get the Law
Commission on your side.

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All right, well, give me
the name of the person

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I need speak to
there, then, please.

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You've got grit,
I'll give you that.

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We've been wronged, Jack.
How can I stay silent?

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My advice? Don't.

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In fact, the louder
you are, the better.

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Bloody hell.

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You just had the Home Secretary
eating out of your hand.

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Well, I don't know what
all the fuss is about.

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He's just a man in a slightly
better suit than yours.

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THEY LAUGH CHARLIE:
Good one, love.

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Have I missed anything?

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You must be joking.

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I've seen encyclopaedias
with less detail than this.

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Let's just hope they
get back to us quickly.

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I'm gonna go to bed.

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What are you doing?

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Oh, just some paperwork,
love. Sleep tight.

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Night, Kev. Night.

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What is it? Is it Kev?

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I don't think he saw anything.

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No, erm...

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I'm thinking of
retiring from the NHS.

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What?

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Just feels like it's time.

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But you love your job.

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I know.

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But this is gonna need all
of my focus and energy now.

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What?

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You heard what Jack Straw said.

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It could take years.

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I don't care how long it takes.

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What if it's five years?

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Ten years, even?

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And what if after all
those years of fighting,

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you still don't get
the result you want?

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We can't think like that.

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Look, I know how you feel about
all of this, and that's fine.

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I don't need your help,
but I do need your support.

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DOOR CLOSES Oh, hi,
love. How was your week?

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DOOR SLAMS

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MUSIC PLAYS THROUGH HEADPHONES

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KNOCK AT DOOR

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Come in.

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Mind if I sit?

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Is everything OK, love?

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You'd tell me if it
wasn't, wouldn't you?

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Kev, look, whatever it is,
you can be honest with me.

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SOFTLY: Oh, my God.

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Oh, where did you find
these? The library.

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Some kids at school
were saying things.

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Oh. Oh, Kev.

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I didn't read any
more after that one.

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No, of course you couldn't.

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Look, please let me explain...
Why would you lie to me?

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I don't know. Why?

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I don't know, love. I...
I didn't mean to hurt you.

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We wanted to protect
you, that's all.

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Not just your grandad and
me, but your dad as well.

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You were so young.

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But I am sorry. I'm sorry.

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It's not fair.

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Look, you can ask me
anything you like about her,

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anything at all, OK?

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And I will...

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I'll tell you the truth
now, I promise. I promise.

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She was murdered, wasn't she?

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Yes.

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By who?

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A man she knew.

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Is he in prison?

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Yeah. For killing my mam?

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No.

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But I'm fighting
to put that right.

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What do you mean?

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Well, I'm trying
to change the law

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so that your mam gets
the justice she deserves.

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And so I can help other people
in the same situation as us.

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Why did he kill her?

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I don't know, love.

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I don't think I'll ever know.

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But I'm gonna make sure
it wasn't for nothing.

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EXHALES TEARFULLY

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Come here.

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TEARFULLY: I'm sorry for lying.

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SHE SOBS

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Why haven't they replied
yet? The Law Commission?

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Yes, of course the
Law Commission.

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Sorry. It's just
been weeks, Charlie.

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Maybe they're just very busy.

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No.

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We've been fobbed off yet again.

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You don't know that.

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Maybe we should go to London.

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Get a meeting in person.

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Well, that might be easier
said than done, love.

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Well, what do you suggest?
You know I can't just give up.

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SIGHS

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I haven't the energy
any more, love.

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I'm sorry.

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Told you you should've
married someone younger.

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Charlie. What?

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Give me your hand.
No, it's fine...

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Give me it.

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Oh, darling.

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It's getting worse.

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There's no definitive
test for it,

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but based on the physical
examination and your symptoms,

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so the chronic
fatigue and tremors,

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then I'm afraid it
is highly likely.

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Thank you, doctor.

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If you have any
questions... No. Thank you.

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You've been very helpful.

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Come on. Mrs Ming.

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ANN EXHALES

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Thank you.

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Charlie, wait.

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We will get through
this, Charlie.

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What about the Law Commission?
What are you talking about?

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Everything's changed,
love. No, it hasn't.

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Yes, it has. This
is about you now.

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It's not, and nor should it be.

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Not for a good while anyway.

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I don't want you
fussing over me.

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What I want is for
you to keep fighting.

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I don't think that's true, Charlie.
But it is. You have to, Ann.

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Because otherwise, I don't
think you'll ever find peace.

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If the Law Commission have decided
double jeopardy's not a priority,

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then you need to do
whatever it takes

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to make them sit
up and take notice.

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OK? OK.

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And don't stop till
the fight is done.

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With me on the show today
is the mother of Julie Hogg,

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a young woman murdered in 1989
by a man who has escaped justice

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because of a centuries-old
law known as double jeopardy.

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Ann Ming, welcome to News Hour.
Thanks, Penny. It's good to be here.

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I should start by talking
about double jeopardy,

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which some people claim is
there to prevent endless trials

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of the same person.

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'Now, I can understand why it was
created more than 800 years ago,

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'but today, it's not
fit for purpose.'

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It shouldn't apply to someone

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who's openly boasted
about committing a murder,

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and that's exactly what
my daughter's killer did.

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He bragged about pulling
off the perfect crime.

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Now, if that's not a
reason to change the law,

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then I don't know what is.

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You've embarked on quite
a campaign, haven't you?

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'Yes. Yes, I have, Penny.

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'I'm doing newspapers and
radio, a TV documentary,

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'I'm talking to
politicians, you name it.'

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If you could follow
me, Mrs Ming.

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It must be painful, though.

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'It is. But my daughter
has been denied justice,

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'and I won't stop until
it's been rectified.'

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I hear you're also going to
be on national television

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to debate Imran Khan, the lawyer
for Stephen Lawrence's family?

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'Yes, that's right.

254
00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:44,877
'For some reason, he believes
the law should stay as it is.

255
00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:46,877
'So I'll have to change
his mind, won't I?'

256
00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:50,397
CREW MEMBER: 15 seconds.
Stand by, please.

257
00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:52,237
With all its power
and resources,

258
00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:54,557
the state shouldn't be
permitted to make repeated,

259
00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:55,877
theoretically unlimited attempts

260
00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:59,237
to convict a man when he doesn't
have the analogous resources

261
00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:00,960
to find the evidence
that clears him.

262
00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:04,480
REPORTER: Would you
agree, Mrs Ming?

263
00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:07,877
Look, well, I don't know
all these fancy words.

264
00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:10,917
I just know that the law's unfair,
and it needs to be changed.

265
00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:14,877
Look, the real problem here's
ineffectual police investigations.

266
00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:17,877
Now, without double jeopardy,
you'd just get sloppy police work

267
00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:19,877
because they'd know they
could just try again

268
00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:21,557
if things didn't go their way.

269
00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:23,877
But surely, there'd be safeguards
for... to prevent that...

270
00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:25,397
And where would that leave us?

271
00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:28,877
With an individual living in a state
of constant anxiety and insecurity,

272
00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:31,877
subjected to embarrassment,
expense and ordeal

273
00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:34,960
and the police disincentivised
to be rigorous or proficient.

274
00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:39,000
Mrs Ming?

275
00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:43,960
Er, you have a daughter,
I believe, Mr Khan?

276
00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:48,557
Yes, I do.

277
00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:50,877
Well, if your daughter
had been murdered

278
00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:53,877
and a man had confessed to
killing her in a court of law,

279
00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:55,877
would you be happy with
a perjury sentence?

280
00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:57,877
Well, legally speaking...

281
00:16:57,960 --> 00:17:00,200
No, I'm not talking as a
lawyer, I'm talking as a father.

282
00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:07,800
Well, I wouldn't say... Would you
be happy with a perjury sentence?

283
00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:12,877
Of course I wouldn't.

284
00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:13,917
You wouldn't. Well,
that says it all.

285
00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:16,397
You can stop the cameras now
because that says it all.

286
00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:18,877
He wouldn't be happy with a
perjury sentence, and we're not.

287
00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:21,237
And we'll go to the European Court
of Human Rights if we have to

288
00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:22,960
for justice for our daughter.

289
00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:25,877
BREATHES HEAVILY

290
00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:28,877
Mr Khan, Mrs Ming. Thank
you very much for your time.

291
00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:31,557
Yes, that's correct.
How can I help you?

292
00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:32,877
WOMAN: 'Is Mrs Ming there?'

293
00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:34,877
No, I'm sorry, she's
not here right now.

294
00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:35,878
Can I give her a message?

295
00:17:35,961 --> 00:17:37,877
'Oh, I'm calling from
the Law Commission.'

296
00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:39,077
Oh. 'Mr Wilkie would
like to meet her.'

297
00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:40,877
I see.

298
00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:43,877
Right, I'll be sure to
pass that on to her.

299
00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:45,960
'Thank you very much.' Ta-ra.

300
00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:50,877
That was them. Who?

301
00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:53,397
The Law Commission.

302
00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:55,960
Alan Wilkie saw the
debate on the telly.

303
00:17:57,960 --> 00:17:59,000
Says he wants to meet you.

304
00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:04,877
SHE CHUCKLES

305
00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:06,877
I'm sorry for the delay

306
00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:10,877
in responding to your thorough
and very moving letter.

307
00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:14,320
So you did read it, then? Yes.

308
00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:18,960
Let's just say you've made
yourself hard to ignore.

309
00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:22,877
We know there are several other
families around the country

310
00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:24,877
in your situation,
and we were hoping...

311
00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:27,877
35. I beg your pardon?

312
00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:32,877
Other cases, that is.
I've met most of them.

313
00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:35,960
They are just as desperate for
the law to be changed as us.

314
00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:38,877
I'll get to the point, Ann.

315
00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:42,077
Erm... We agree wholeheartedly

316
00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:45,877
that a review should
be a priority.

317
00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:47,237
Good.

318
00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:49,397
But it needs to
be retrospective.

319
00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:51,960
Otherwise, it's of
no bloody use to us.

320
00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:54,877
We'll do what we can.

321
00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:58,877
He's out in a few years, you see...
the man who murdered our Julie.

322
00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:01,877
So I hope you mean that.

323
00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:04,877
It's understandable that you're
keen to get things moving,

324
00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:06,877
especially in the
light of his appeal.

325
00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:09,717
He's appealing?

326
00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:11,960
Yes. Against his
perjury sentence?

327
00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:15,397
I'm sorry, I assumed
you'd have heard.

328
00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:16,877
Well, then...

329
00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:19,717
then that's even more reason to
get your skates on, isn't it?

330
00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:21,800
No time for messing around!

331
00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:24,878
About this appeal, Ann,

332
00:19:24,961 --> 00:19:28,877
you might consider
writing to the justices.

333
00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:30,877
We're seeing some
compelling evidence

334
00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:33,877
that something called a
victim impact statement

335
00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:35,960
can influence the court.

336
00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:38,877
I wrote one of those
for his perjury case.

337
00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:40,557
Didn't make a blind
bit of difference.

338
00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:43,877
You wrote an impact statement
for the perjury sentencing?

339
00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:46,877
Took years off my
life, it did. Why?

340
00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:48,877
No, I've read that file
from cover to cover.

341
00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:52,917
I'm sorry to say that there
was no such statement in there.

342
00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:56,877
What? But I... I handed it
in at the CPS personally.

343
00:19:56,960 --> 00:19:59,877
I can only imagine it's some
sort of bureaucratic oversight.

344
00:19:59,960 --> 00:20:02,877
Oh, for God's sake. No
wonder he only got six years!

345
00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:06,877
I was told it would play a big
role in the judge's sentencing.

346
00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:08,557
That's certainly how
it's supposed to work.

347
00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:11,077
God, it's like we
don't bloody matter!

348
00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:13,877
You must have a very low opinion
of the legal establishment.

349
00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:17,877
Honestly, Alan, it's been
like this from the start.

350
00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:18,878
The police not listening to me,

351
00:20:18,961 --> 00:20:20,877
Julie's reputation
dragged through the mud,

352
00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:23,960
and now no-one's bothered
to even read my statement.

353
00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:28,877
I realise you probably won't want
to write another impact statement.

354
00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:32,960
But if you do, I will make
sure that the justices read it.

355
00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:35,960
You have my word on that.

356
00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:41,480
You're writing
another one? Yeah.

357
00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:45,960
He's appealing his perjury
sentence. Oh, for...

358
00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:52,960
Yeah, you haven't forgotten we're
out for Gary's birthday tonight?

359
00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:55,717
No, course not.

360
00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:58,077
A CPS courier's picking it
up from the house at 4:30.

361
00:20:58,160 --> 00:20:59,960
I'll have plenty of time.

362
00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:03,877
All right. I'll do you a coffee.

363
00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:04,960
Yeah. Thanks, love.

364
00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:10,077
TV PLAYS

365
00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:12,960
What time's the taxi
coming? 15 minutes.

366
00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:17,960
You look very nice. Thank you.

367
00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:23,877
They said they'd call to
confirm they received it.

368
00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:24,878
Hm?

369
00:21:24,961 --> 00:21:26,877
I'm gonna have to
call them, Charlie.

370
00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:28,960
KEYPAD TONES

371
00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:35,877
MAN: 'Royal Courts of Justice.'
Hello. Yeah, erm, it's Ann Ming.

372
00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:38,877
Case number 201208.

373
00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:42,800
I'm calling to check that you
received my impact statement.

374
00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:46,877
'No, we haven't received anything
for that case, I'm afraid.'

375
00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:48,877
What? No, are you sure?

376
00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:50,877
It should've been faxed
over in the last hour or so.

377
00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:53,557
'No, I can't see anything
here.' Unbelievable. All right.

378
00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:54,877
'I'll get them to
send it again.'

379
00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:56,877
Yeah, well, thanks. 'Thank you.'

380
00:21:56,960 --> 00:21:59,397
They haven't bloody
sent it. Who?

381
00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:02,717
The CPS! How hard
is it to send a fax?

382
00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:04,877
Where you going? You go ahead.

383
00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:05,878
I'll just get there when I can.

384
00:22:05,961 --> 00:22:08,877
Surely, you don't have to drive
round there? Can't you just...?

385
00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:12,877
Yes, I do! Look, I don't trust them
to do anything after the last time.

386
00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:14,877
Ann. Ann!

387
00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:17,160
Just, er, tell Gary not to
open his presents without me.

388
00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:20,960
DOOR CLOSES

389
00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:24,878
Is it finished? Sorry?

390
00:22:24,961 --> 00:22:26,877
The meeting? Excuse me,
miss, you can't go in there!

391
00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:28,877
Oh, can't I? He's in
the middle of a...

392
00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:30,877
I'm sorry, sir.
We've met before.

393
00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:31,878
Excuse me. Do you remember?

394
00:22:31,961 --> 00:22:33,877
A year or so ago. Mrs Ming...

395
00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:35,877
I was promised that the judge
at the perjury sentencing

396
00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:36,878
would get my victim statement.

397
00:22:36,961 --> 00:22:38,877
He never received
it. As you can see...

398
00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:40,877
And now the man who
killed my daughter

399
00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:42,877
is appealing against his
poxy six-year sentence.

400
00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:44,877
So do you know what I
did? I wrote another one.

401
00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:47,397
I went through the torture of
reliving our Julie's murder,

402
00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:50,557
and I wrote another
very detailed statement.

403
00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:52,917
A statement I was promised would be
in London before six o'clock today.

404
00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:55,877
And guess what? You lot have
bloody well let me down again!

405
00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:56,878
Mrs Ming! No!

406
00:22:56,961 --> 00:23:00,877
I will call Frank Cook, Alan Wilkie,
Jack bleedin' Straw if I have to!

407
00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:02,877
I am not leaving this room

408
00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:06,000
until you call the clerk of court
in London and fax him my document!

409
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:15,160
I think I'd listen to
Mrs Ming if I were you.

410
00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:22,960
KEYPAD TONES Thank you.

411
00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:41,960
Where is everyone?

412
00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:46,960
They left already? They
waited as long as they could.

413
00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:51,960
They've got their
own lives, Ann.

414
00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:56,960
I thought I'd make it.

415
00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:09,877
I didn't know what
to order, so...

416
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:13,160
No, this is fine, thanks. Yeah.

417
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:23,960
If it's cold, I can ask them
that... It's fine, thanks.

418
00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:35,040
I wish I could be in
two places at once.

419
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:38,960
But you can't, Ann.

420
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:42,160
It's not for nothing, Charlie.

421
00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:45,960
I hope you're right.

422
00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:55,877
Now, remember, it really
isn't the end of the world

423
00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:58,877
if this appeal is successful
and his sentence is reduced.

424
00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:00,877
Anything that puts that
man back on the streets

425
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:02,877
is catastrophic in my book.

426
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:04,877
Well, let's keep
everything crossed.

427
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:07,877
Having considered the evidence,

428
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:11,237
and especially in
light of the, er...

429
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:14,877
thorough and affecting
victim impact statement

430
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:19,877
supplied by Mrs Ming, we are
unanimous in our judgement

431
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:23,877
that a sentence of six years
was not manifestly excessive,

432
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:28,397
and we do not seek to interfere
with the judge's ruling.

433
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:32,877
And consequently, we dismiss
the appeal against the sentence.

434
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:35,877
EXHALES

435
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:36,960
Thank goodness for that.

436
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:40,877
So, what happens next,
about double jeopardy?

437
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:42,877
Well, that's a small matter

438
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:45,077
of unpicking 800 years
of legal history.

439
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:48,877
But, you know, it's in the
hands of the Home Secretary

440
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:50,877
and the Lord Chancellor now.

441
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:53,877
They have our report, and they'll
give it their consideration.

442
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:56,960
How long will that take?
Shouldn't be too long.

443
00:25:58,960 --> 00:25:59,960
Right.

444
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:07,877
Thanks for coming with me. I
wouldn't miss it for anything.

445
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:09,877
I know it's not easy for you.

446
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:14,960
You know, it will be quite
something if they overturn the law.

447
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:20,717
Well, unless it's retrospective,
it's all been for nothing.

448
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:21,877
No.

449
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:25,320
Whatever happens,
you've done her proud.

450
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:30,960
Government white paper,
and all because of you.

451
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:33,960
We best get going. Aye.

452
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:38,877
Right, you look after
Angela for us, won't you?

453
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:40,877
Mwah. Got everything.

454
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,237
I wanna come too.

455
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:45,877
Oh, no, darling, I don't
think that's a good idea.

456
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:47,960
Why not? Why
shouldn't I be there?

457
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:51,960
I wanna be there to support you.

458
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:57,960
And for my mam.

459
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,877
I'm just... I'm getting nervous
now. Ah, don't be nervous.

460
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:06,237
Does my hair look all
right in this wind?

461
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:07,877
Your hair looks great.
You look very nice.

462
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:09,877
It's blowing everywhere.
You look very nice.

463
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:12,877
REPORTERS CLAMOUR

464
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:13,960
No.

465
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:16,480
Thank you.

466
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:19,877
Hello.

467
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:21,557
Hello. My name's Ann
Ming. I'm here...

468
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:23,960
This is for you, Mrs
Ming. Oh, thank you.

469
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:28,917
GASPS

470
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,877
Oh, God, it's retrospective!

471
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:33,877
The double jeopardy
law's being overturned,

472
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:35,877
and it's gonna be retrospective.

473
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:36,878
Oh, I can't believe it.

474
00:27:36,961 --> 00:27:38,877
REPORTER: It's a monumental
moment for you, Ann.

475
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:40,877
It is, yeah. I'm shaking. God!

476
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,877
I just can't believe
it. ANN LAUGHS

477
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:45,960
REPORTERS CHATTER

478
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:49,877
Well, I suppose the lesson is...

479
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:52,877
being a bloody-minded pain in
the arse can pay off sometimes.

480
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:55,237
MARK LAUGHS Yes.

481
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:57,960
Here's to you. Frank! Hiya. Aw.

482
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:00,877
Sorry I couldn't be there.

483
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:04,717
But you probably heard me cheering
from the other end of the A1.

484
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:06,917
Do you know Mark Braithwaite?
He's another one of the good guys.

485
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:10,877
Nice to meet you, Mark.
Likewise. Take a seat.

486
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:12,877
Without fellas like you, we'd
never have achieved what we have.

487
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:14,960
Well, we're not quite there yet.

488
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:17,877
Which is not to say we
shouldn't celebrate.

489
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:20,717
You've got to recognise
your victories

490
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:21,877
along the way, haven't you?

491
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,877
Well, I... I mean, I know it
needs to be debated, but I...

492
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:26,877
From what I understand, after
a bit of back and forth,

493
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:28,877
it is likely to get
the votes, isn't it?

494
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:30,877
In the Commons, yes.

495
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:32,877
But remember, the Lords
is a different matter.

496
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:34,877
There you go. Thanks.

497
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:38,877
They're a bunch of old
conservative white men in the main.

498
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:43,557
They're not generally keen on
dismantling ancient English laws.

499
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:45,960
Well, do you think
they'll block it?

500
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:48,917
I won't lie.

501
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:50,960
I think it'll be
tough to get through.

502
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:55,717
Well, who do I talk
to? About what?

503
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaking to the Lords.
Would they allow it?

504
00:28:59,960 --> 00:29:01,397
It's very unconventional.

505
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:03,877
But it is allowed?
You'd really do that?

506
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:05,877
Make a speech to the Lords?

507
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,717
Can you help me or not?

508
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:10,557
HE SCOFFS

509
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:13,877
I know Lord Falconer a
little. Let me speak to him.

510
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:14,917
Thanks.

511
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,877
Don't screw it up.
I'll try not to.

512
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:19,960
Good luck with
that. FRANK CHUCKLES

513
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:30,960
Safe and sober or
bold and red? Hmm.

514
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:34,960
I'd play it safe if I were you.

515
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:37,877
Are you sure you don't
wanna come with me?

516
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:38,960
I'd love to.

517
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:41,960
I just...

518
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:45,877
Right.

519
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:47,877
Now some shoes.

520
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,320
You'll look great
whatever you wear.

521
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:00,960
MAN: Good morning.

522
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:10,877
This must all seem rather
grand to you, but don't worry.

523
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:12,877
The committee room
isn't quite as medieval.

524
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:13,878
MAN: Morning. Morning.

525
00:30:13,961 --> 00:30:17,557
MAN: Morning. Morning?
It's 2:30 in the afternoon.

526
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:19,877
Well, it's always morning
here until the House sits.

527
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:22,877
One of our little
conventions. BELL RINGS

528
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:26,237
Now, when we vote, we
queue in two lines,

529
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:29,877
either the content or
the not-content corridor,

530
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:33,237
and we are counted off by
a peer holding a drumstick.

531
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:34,960
Musical or chicken?

532
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,877
HE CHUCKLES Right, here we are.

533
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:42,877
You ready? Er... yeah.

534
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:44,877
You do have a speech, don't you?

535
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:46,877
I've made some notes, but I
don't think I'll need them.

536
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:49,877
Mrs Ming, these are some
of the most powerful

537
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:51,877
and respected people
in the country.

538
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:54,960
I have seen seasoned
speakers go completely dry.

539
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:59,877
Look, I may not be
hoity-toity like you lot,

540
00:30:59,960 --> 00:31:01,960
but I know what I wanna say.

541
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,160
I've had 13 years
to think about it.

542
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:09,160
All right. All right.

543
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:14,877
My most noble and learned Lords,

544
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:18,877
may I introduce
my guest today...

545
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:21,877
Mrs Ann Ming, who'll
be talking to us

546
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:23,877
with regards to the
Criminal Justice Bill,

547
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:25,877
specifically part 10,

548
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:29,877
which concerns the so-called
double jeopardy rule.

549
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:31,960
LORDS CHATTER

550
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:34,877
Thank you.

551
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:36,960
ANN CLEARS THROAT

552
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:43,877
My Lords and Ladies, erm...

553
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:48,237
thank you most humbly for,
erm, letting me speak today.

554
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:50,960
I'll try not to take up
too much of your time.

555
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:57,557
On November 16th, 1989,

556
00:31:57,640 --> 00:31:59,960
our eldest daughter,
Julie, went missing.

557
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:04,397
The police, when
I spoke to them...

558
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:06,877
We hadn't seen her, you
see, since the previous day,

559
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,877
and she was due in court in
Stockton the next morning...

560
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:10,960
Speak up.

561
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:15,917
SHE CLEARS THROAT

562
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:17,877
Anyway, I had a gut...

563
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:20,877
a gut feeling that something
dreadful had happened to her.

564
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:25,960
The police spent a week searching
her home, and they found nothing.

565
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,960
Look, I'm gonna tell you how
it feels to lose a child.

566
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,000
And how it feels to
be shafted by the law.

567
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,960
There have been two moments
of deep trauma in my life.

568
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:57,960
One was the moment I found my
daughter's body under the bath.

569
00:32:59,960 --> 00:33:02,640
13 years later, I
still have nightmares.

570
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:05,877
The second was the moment

571
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,960
I had to watch my daughter's
murderer walk free.

572
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:16,640
Nobody here will ever,
ever know how that feels.

573
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:21,960
Trusting the state to bring
you justice and peace...

574
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:27,397
...only to find yourself
marginalised and betrayed.

575
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:29,877
For you, the law is just
something you make for others

576
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,877
in this ivory tower with
your inherited privileges.

577
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:34,877
But for me, it's a cancer.

578
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:38,917
For the last 13 years, I have
fought to get justice for Julie.

579
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:42,877
I've had to deal with
rank police incompetence,

580
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:44,877
two mistrials, two
home secretaries

581
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:48,877
and a CPS who didn't even
seem to care about us victims.

582
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:50,000
On top of all that...

583
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:52,877
...I had to figure out a way

584
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:55,960
of telling my grandson what
happened to his mammy...

585
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:00,877
...and how to keep
my marriage together

586
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,877
when me and my husband,
Charlie, were drowning in grief.

587
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:04,960
EXHALES

588
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:08,877
No, look, I don't want
your sympathy, I just...

589
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:09,878
I just need you to listen.

590
00:34:09,961 --> 00:34:12,877
If someone is sent
to prison for a crime

591
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,877
and new evidence proves that
they were innocent all along,

592
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:18,877
well, it's only right that
they should walk free.

593
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:22,877
Well, surely, it should work
the other way round, too.

594
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:24,877
If someone is acquitted

595
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,877
and new evidence proves that
they were guilty all along,

596
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:29,960
well, then they should
take the rap for it.

597
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:34,877
Look, I'm not...

598
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:38,960
I'm not interested in
revenge or even compensation.

599
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:43,877
I just want the man who
took our little girl from us

600
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:45,000
to pay for his crime.

601
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:51,960
Our daughter's right to
life was stolen from her.

602
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:55,877
The only way we can get justice

603
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:58,960
is by changing the double
jeopardy law retrospectively.

604
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:02,960
LORDS: Hear, hear.

605
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:08,960
Thank you.

606
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:27,960
Fancy seeing you here.

607
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:31,557
I'm here all the time.

608
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:33,877
You are? I didn't know that.

609
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:35,960
There's a lot you
don't know, Mam.

610
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:41,877
I don't think I've got the energy
to keep on fighting, you know.

611
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:44,237
If the Lords block it...

612
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:46,000
SHE EXHALES DEEPLY

613
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:50,877
Do you ever see her? Who?

614
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:52,000
Our Julie.

615
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:57,160
I miss her so much. SHE SIGHS

616
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:00,877
I don't care...
who she was with,

617
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,077
what she went through
in her private life.

618
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:04,877
I just...

619
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:06,960
I just wish I could tell
her that I love her.

620
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:13,960
Mam. What?

621
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:18,960
I miss her too.

622
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:22,960
But I think you need
to move on, Mam.

623
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:26,960
I think you need to let her go.

624
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:30,960
What do you mean?

625
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,960
I'm saying, Mam, that you've
got two living children.

626
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:40,960
Gary, love... Bye, Mam.

627
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:54,237
DOOR CLOSES

628
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:56,877
Where have you been? Huh?

629
00:36:56,960 --> 00:37:00,077
We've been waiting for
hours! Who's been waiting?

630
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,237
Well, come and see. What?

631
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:03,960
Through here, love.

632
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:06,877
SHE CHUCKLES Frank.

633
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:08,877
It's my birthday today.

634
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:12,877
And it's the best one
I've ever had. BOTTLE POPS

635
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:13,960
Congratulations.

636
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:19,960
The bill's gone through, love.
It's got through the Lords.

637
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:22,960
And it's retrospective.

638
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:26,877
What? It is true, Ann.

639
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:28,877
SHE MUMBLES Really?

640
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:30,397
We've done it.

641
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:32,877
You've done it.

642
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:33,917
SHE SOBS

643
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,960
Really, has it
happened? Oh, God.

644
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:42,877
Oh, my God, I can't
believe it. It's over.

645
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,877
Oh, no, really? Yeah.

646
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:47,397
SHE SOBS

647
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:49,877
TEARFULLY: Charlie, we did
it. No, you did it. You did.

648
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:51,557
We did.

649
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:53,877
Oh, God, it's all over.

650
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:55,877
We've won.

651
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:58,877
SHE SOBS We did it.

652
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:00,960
You did it, it was all you.

653
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:06,917
My government will continue
to make the reduction of crime

654
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,877
and the fear of
crime a priority.

655
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:13,877
The government will be implementing
the Criminal Justice Act

656
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:15,877
to ensure the
effective punishment

657
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,877
of dangerous and
persistent offenders.

658
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:21,397
REPORTER: It took the High
Court only a matter of minutes

659
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:24,877
to quash the original
acquittal of October 1991,

660
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:27,877
opening the door to
today's historic retrial

661
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:31,877
in the case of Julie Hogg's
murder. REPORTERS CLAMOUR

662
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:33,877
Mrs Ming, do you think
they'll let him off the hook?

663
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:35,877
What do you mean, "let
him off the hook"?

664
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:38,877
Well, the judge might decide
he's spent long enough in prison.

665
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:39,878
He's done nearly ten years.

666
00:38:39,961 --> 00:38:42,960
What does she mean by
that? Let's get you inside.

667
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:45,877
In deciding your sentence,

668
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:48,877
I have borne in mind
your guilty plea,

669
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:51,397
which has saved Julie
Hogg's family and friends

670
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:53,917
from enduring a further trial.

671
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:58,397
Before I come to sentence you,
I should like to read an extract

672
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:01,877
from Mrs Ming's
impact statement,

673
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:05,877
a harrowing and moving account

674
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:07,960
of the harm you have
done to the family.

675
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:14,877
"As a family, we are
damaged beyond repair"

676
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:19,960
"and will never be the same again
as Julie will never return home."

677
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:24,717
"The love we feel for Julie

678
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:29,717
"means it is we who are
serving the life sentence.

679
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:34,877
"Julie's son, Kevin, has
missed out on a mother's love."

680
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:37,237
"He has missed out
on a childhood."

681
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:40,960
"All he has left of her
are a few photographs."

682
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:49,960
Notwithstanding
your guilty plea...

683
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:55,877
...I have seen no evidence of
genuine contrition on your part

684
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:58,960
as opposed to
evident self-pity...

685
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:04,557
...and attempts by you
to avoid or minimise

686
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:06,960
the proper consequences
of what you have done.

687
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:12,877
Those consequences are that
on the count of murder,

688
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:14,877
you will be imprisoned for life

689
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:18,877
with a minimum
tariff of 17 years.

690
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:19,960
Mm.

691
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:22,960
Take him down.

692
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:44,877
REPORTER: Ann! Ann!

693
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:47,877
I... I just can't believe
what's happened today.

694
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:50,877
I can't believe that we've finally
got justice for our daughter.

695
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:51,878
I'd, erm...

696
00:40:51,961 --> 00:40:54,877
Mrs Ming, this is the first
person in Britain to be convicted

697
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:57,557
of a crime for which they'd
previously been acquitted.

698
00:40:57,640 --> 00:40:59,877
It's historic, isn't it?

699
00:40:59,960 --> 00:41:01,960
Yeah, I suppose. Suppose
it is, really, yeah.

700
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:06,877
Sorry, it's not often
that I'm speechless.

701
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:10,877
Your campaign, it has taken
up so much of your life.

702
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:12,960
What will you do now?

703
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:16,960
Erm, more line
dancing, probably.

704
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:21,877
Ann, I don't think you realise
quite what you've achieved.

705
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:23,877
Don't be daft.

706
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:27,877
To overturn one of the most
established legal principles

707
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:29,717
in Western democracy.

708
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:32,877
People talk about
speaking truth to power.

709
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:35,877
Well, you've made history today.

710
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,877
I just hope he never gets out.

711
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:41,877
You've ignited a debate
around the world.

712
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:44,237
Every country with
double jeopardy laws

713
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:47,640
has been watching us
very closely indeed.

714
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:51,877
Here, Mark's got us another round
to celebrate. You deserve that.

715
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:53,717
It's the least we deserve.

716
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:55,877
To Ann! MEN: To Ann.

717
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:56,960
Cheers.

718
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:00,960
COUNTRY POP MUSIC PLAYS

719
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:11,877
Do people do this sober?

720
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:14,960
Nothing to be worried about.

721
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:19,877
I'm getting a drink. A
large one. What do you want?

722
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:21,960
Whatever they've got.

723
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:29,077
♪ This used to be my heart

724
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:31,397
♪ I was torn apart

725
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:34,557
♪ And I'm fading

726
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:36,877
♪ Deeper in my soul

727
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:39,877
♪ Blackening, so cold

728
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:44,320
♪ I'm fading away. ♪

729
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:20,800
LAUGHS TEARFULLY

730
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:40,960
Queue was too long. I'll
go back in a few minutes.

731
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:44,877
What's wrong? Is everything OK?

732
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:48,077
MAN: 'All right, everyone, are we
all ready? Grab your favourite...'

733
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:50,877
You all right? '..pair of
cowboy boots, it's time.'

734
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:52,917
Yeah. I'm OK. 'A-five, six...'

735
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:54,077
I'm OK.

736
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:55,877
'A-five, six, seven,
eight.' You sure?

737
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:57,877
COUNTRY POP MUSIC PLAYS

738
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:00,877
I love you. Gosh, that's nice.

739
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:01,878
Oh, it's starting.

740
00:44:01,961 --> 00:44:03,877
Bloody hell, is that
it? Let's have a go.

741
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:06,877
♪ Out on the road for sunrise

742
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:09,877
♪ Another town left behind

743
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:13,397
♪ Opened up the throttle
On this old big rig

744
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:15,877
♪ And tried to make
up A little time

745
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:18,877
♪ If I can drop
this load off early

746
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:22,557
♪ I'll pick another
one up tonight

747
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:25,877
♪ Make it to the woods And
keep the end of the road

748
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:27,877
♪ Only just out of sight

749
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:29,877
♪ I'ma clicking those miles... ♪

750
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:32,877
Oh, you came! I can't
believe that you came.

751
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:34,877
All right, Dad? Hi, Dad.

752
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:36,877
Hiya, Mam, all right?

753
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:38,877
I think I need my head
checking. Come on, it'll be fun.

754
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:40,960
Come on.

755
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:43,877
You know the moves, Mam!

756
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:46,877
♪ Everything's all right

757
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:51,877
♪ And I always keep
The end of the road

758
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:52,878
♪ Just out of sight

759
00:44:52,961 --> 00:44:55,917
♪ I'ma clicking those miles

760
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:57,877
♪ There ain't no
reason To count... ♪

761
00:44:57,960 --> 00:44:59,960
MUSIC FADES

762
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:56,960
APPLAUSE

763
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:10,960
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